Showing posts with label Ordination. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Ordination. Show all posts

Saturday, August 12, 2017

I Never Met the Man

"Choose your acquaintances wisely. If a priest gives scandal you want to be able to say 'I never met
the man.'" This was a saying of Fr. Donald Curry. And it is one that has stuck with me. He was speaking about clergy in the Autocephalous Catholic Movement. I have noted in my posts what because there is a lack of quality control and because we are so much smaller than mainstream groups, our eccentrics are given the spotlight. Yet, we have to exercise our own discretion in who we take in to our churches as well as who we meet.

This is problematic for me. As an extreme extrovert I love to meet new people. But this quote pops into my head every now and again and provides me with caution. Sometimes meeting problematic people is unavoidable. However, it seems prudent to evaluate people's ministry and even sanity before rushing off to meet them. If they are a difficult person they can cause real problems to our ministries by their bad behavior.

This becomes a larger problem when we validate them. For instance, in our movement there is a desire to want to participate in everyone's ordinations. For some it's a change to dress up and participate. For others they see themselves as genuinely ordaining someone to minister to the People of God. Regardless, it's harmful to do unless we know the content of their character. The worst thing that can happen (and I have seen it happen) is to take someone in and discover they have a disreputable background. I've even seen the bishop be contacted by the media and put his name front and center for the crimes of his priest.

The result is a tapeworm like affect. A person with a past of abuse or fraud then affects our reputation, our church, our family, etc. Even if you depose them they are forever attached to your credibility. And now, thanks to the internet, nothing ever really goes away. How much better to be able to say "I never met the man."

"Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm." -
Proverbs 13:20.

Tuesday, December 27, 2011

Curious Ordination Stats...

There is always a tradition of vagantes being accused of not being well trained prior to ordination. This is, unfortunately, true in many cases and some clergy are woefully unprepared. However, this isn't just an ISM phenomenon. Modern seminary education is relatively new in the life of the church (about 500 years) and prior to that there was a great deal of mentoring, on the job training, etc. We remember that many lay people and even clergy were illiterate for much of the Church's history, so stories were told through icons, stained glass, plays, etc.

Below are some interesting statistics I compiled. This list is not to justify anything except to play "devil's advocate." I compiled it in 2006 when a traditionalist Roman Catholic bishop was being chastised for being too young at 29 for consecration. The point: people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

Young Priests:
  • Costantino Cardinal Patrizi Naro, ordained a priest at age 20. 11
  • Pope Gregory XVI, ordained a priest at age 21. 31
  • Carlo Cardinal Confalonieri, ordained a priest at age 22. 10
  • Helder Camara, ordained a priest at age 22. 1
  • St. Pio, ordained a priest at age 22. 2
  • Fr. Basil Moreau, ordained a priest at age 22. 3
  • Archbishop Javier Lozano Barragán, ordained a priest at age 22. 4
  • Bishop Antonio Rosario Mennonna, ordained a priest at age 22. 9
  • Carlo Cardinal Confalonieri, ordained a priest at age 22. 10
Really Young Bishops:
  • Pope Julius II, appointed bishop at 18.2. 28
  • Raffaele Cardinal Sansone Riario, appointed apostolic administrator at age 19.6. 29
  • Saint Valentine, ordained a bishop at age 20. 8
  • Pope Eugene IV, appointed a bishop at age 20. 33
  • Pope Gregory XIV, appointed a bishop at age 24.9 25
  • Ludovico Cardinal Ludovisi, ordained a bishop at age 25.5. 19
  • Pope Julius III, appointed bishop at age 25.5. 27
  • Pope Benedict XIII, ordained a bishop at age 26. 15
  • Pope Alexander VI, appointed bishop at 26.5. 30
  • Luigi Cardinal Caetani, ordained a bishop at 26.9.
  • Archbishop Eugène-Jean-Claude-Joseph Desflèches, M.E.P., appointed bishop at 28.3. 14
  • Archbishop François de Pierre de Bernis, ordained a bishop at age 29.1. 20
Short-Term Priests:
  • Pope Martin V, a priest for 1 day. 32
  • Pope Urban VII, a priest for 4 days. 26
  • Francesco Scipione Maria Cardinal Borghese, a priest for 1 month. 17
  • Luigi Cardinal Valenti Gonzaga, a priest for 1 month. 21
  • Pope Alexander VII, appointed after 1 month as priest. 23
  • Bernardino Cardinal Gurard, a priest for one month. 34
  • Giovanni Francesco Albani, a priest 3 months. 23
  • Giovanni Battista Cardinal Caprara Montecuccoli, a priest for 9 months. 22
  • Giulio Maria Cardinal della Somaglia, a priest for 1 year and 6 months.  12
  • Marcantonio Cardinal Colonna , a priest for 1 year and 2 months. 13
  • Giuseppe Cardinal Accoramboni, a priest for 2 years and 8 months. 16

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1.         “'Red bishop' dies at 90.” Western Catholic Reporter. Accessed February 15, 2006 from URL: http://www.wcr.ab.ca/news/1999/0906/archbishopheldercamara090699.shtml.
2.         “Padre Pio.” Biographies. Accessed February 15, 2006 from URL: http://www.discountcatholicstore.com/biographies.htm.
3.         “The Story of Basil Anthony Marie Moreau.” Marianites Website. Acessed February 15, 2006 from URL:  http://www.marianites.org/new/The%20Story%20of%20Basil%20Moreau%20-%20English.htm.
4.         “Three Future Cardinals for Latin America.” Church News. Accessed February 15, 2006 from URL: http://www.eclesiales.org/english/archive/0310-1.htm.
5.         “Bishop of East Anglia.” Diocese of East Anglia. Accessed February 15, 2006 from URL: http://www.catholiceastanglia.org/bishop/index.php?module=article&view=3&page_num=2.
6.         Canon Law: A Text and Commentary. (1946). Bouscaren S.J., T. Lincoln and Adam C. Ellis, S.J. Milwaukee: The Bruce Publishing Company. Pp. 368. 
7.         Code of Canon Law (1983). Vatican City Website. Accessed February 15, 2006 from URL: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P1.HTM.
8.         Forgotten man – Valentine’s Day originated from wise, caring bishop.” (2006) Caldwell, Simon. Accessed February 15, 2006 from: http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=18661.
9.         “Bishop Antonio Rosario Mennonna.” Catholic Hierarchy. Accessed February 15, 2006 from: http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bmennonna.html.

Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity. - 1 Tim 4:12.